OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW with Victoria Odekomaya

Balancing Health and Ambition through Perimenopause stage

• Victoria Odekomaya / Michelle Bailey • Episode 37

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Last year, my health challenges significantly impacted my business. I discovered that I was experiencing perimenopause symptoms, which can be incredibly disruptive and are often not discussed enough. That's why I'm excited to bring you today’s episode of the "Own Your Brand Show."

Join me as I dive into the challenges and solutions of perimenopause with Michelle Bailey, a seasoned functional nutritional coach and personal trainer. Discover invaluable insights on managing symptoms and maintaining your health while pursuing your business goals. Get practical tips and learn about the Wellness Shift Program, designed to help you thrive during this transitional phase. 🎙️💪

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Victoria Odekomaya is a Nigerian American and former drug research scientist turned brand and marketing expert. Through her Creative Agency, LiMStudios, she specializes in brand photography, video creation, and strategic marketing. Victoria's mission is to empower female entrepreneurs to be SEEN, KNOWN, and HEARD, enhancing their visual presence and attracting their ideal customers to build a BANKABLE PERSONAL BRAND. Victoria's scientific background has honed her analytical thinking, attention to detail, and problem-solving skills, which she integrates into her branding strategies. Her 23-year journey to U.S. citizenship reflects the perseverance female entrepreneurs need to overcome challenges in branding and marketing. This fuels her dedication to empower women to achieve their entrepreneurial dreams.

In 2022, Victoria launched the BOSS LADIES CAMPAIGN, giving participants a celebrity photoshoot experience to enhance their confidence and brand visibility. The campaign promotes these women through features in BOSS LADIES magazine, appearances on Victoria's 'OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW', and recognition at the BOSS LADIES GALA. The gala not only celebrates women but also raises funds for local non-profits, so far raising $19,000+ for Dove Recovery House for Women and PINK RIBBON CONNECTION.

For sponsorship/business inquiries, visit https://mtr.bio/limstudios or email hello@thelimstudios.com.

Speaker 1:

I'm like I'm going to forget to record. That's all right. That's all right. Oh my God, Okay. So All right. Okay, I think I'm ready. Are you ready?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we could go.

Speaker 1:

Let's do this. Are you over the age of 35 and a female and you are feeling bloated, you're tired, you have cravings, you're brain fog and you're not sure what is going on with you every day? This could be a sign of you being in perimenopause. And today I have a special guest, michelle Bailey, who is a functional nutritional coach. She is a personal trainer and has over 20 years of experience in this wellness and fitness industry. She's going to be helping us break down this whole mystery around perimenopause. Hey and welcome to the show. Today is, oh goodness, I was doing real good. Okay. Hey, and welcome to the Own your Brand Show. If you're new here, I'm Victoria Udecumaya, and my goal is to help you build a brand and a business that you've always dreamed of. So if you're suffering from any of these perimenopausal symptoms and it's stopping you from building your brand and working on your business, you're in for a treat today. It's going to be a great session, so, without much ado, let's get into it. Hey, michelle, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2:

Hi Victoria, I'm doing well. How are you today?

Speaker 1:

I am doing very well. I'm very excited about today because I am a guinea well, not a guinea pig but I feel like this topic really, really impacts me so much since, near and dear to my heart. I started my business full-time this year January, but last year and the year before I was a side hustle. I was doing that as a side hustle and I think that, me being 40 last year and the year before I was a side hustle, you know, I was doing as a side hustle and I think that, um, me being 40 last year, um, I I hit that point where I was having a lot of the symptoms that I said spoke of earlier on and I didn't understand what was going on. I feel like I was a lot older than I am. I just didn't understand my body.

Speaker 1:

But I thank God for you because when I met you, you helped me understand a lot of these symptoms and I know we just kind of I jumped on one of your masterclass a couple of days ago where you were talking about this. So I cannot wait to for you to share some of this with everyone else, because I feel like we don't even talk a lot about this topic of perimenopause. Do you? Well, you do. You probably talk about it, because that's what you do.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it is something that we like to shy away from. I don't know if we are embarrassed by it or if there is this stigma behind perimenopause means I'm getting old. Listen, for us to even get to the point of being in our 30s, 40s or 50s is a blessing from the Father above, absolutely. So just get that sense of negativity out of your mind because, every day above ground allows us to be able to do things to help us live better. That's great yeah being grateful and thankful for life is important.

Speaker 1:

Yes, thank you so much for just setting that up. You know really good there. One of the things that you mentioned at your Master U class which was amazing, by the way, master you class, which was amazing, by the way was that you know, um, perimenopause is just, it's the second phase of the menopause cycle. Just help us understand that. You know how many phases do we have?

Speaker 2:

Well, let's let's um kind of break this down. The menopausal cycle or life cycle of life is just that. So when we say we in menopause, I like to ask the question which phase In? Ladies, women out there, we all have a menopause cycle and it starts off with the pre-menopause. Pre-menopause is in our early age, puberty, when we just now start our menstrual cycle and we're in the bearing age. We're having fun, living our lives, enjoying life.

Speaker 2:

But sometimes during that time of that stage of the life cycle, sometimes you might have little issues. We may have a lot of cramping or we might have PMS symptoms. We might even experience constipation, for instance, and some bloating before our menstrual, but it doesn't seem as a worry that time, because when we're younger we're moving, we're doing a lot of different things, so it doesn't really hamper everything that we do. But some people had issues with it. So, for example, for myself, I've been with endometriosis since I was probably 14 and I needed to figure out what it was. Nobody knew what it was. The requirements was just do birth control, make sure you've eaten lots of fiber, and that was it. But that wasn't enough for me to figure out what was going on. Right, so very.

Speaker 2:

Our pre-menopause is the first stage. It's the regular menstrual cycle and you should have no noticeable symptoms of menopause. Estrogen production, which is one of the hormones in our sexual hormones, is very high. Hence the reason for us to have our cycle and for us to be able to bear children. Perimenopause, which is the second stage, is the transitional stage. It's considered a transitional stage because there is no set timeframe to have this. The average American woman in perimenopause when you're in your 40s or late 40s. But in the last several years, some people may start perimenopause even in their 20s Wow, late 20s and research has been looking at that as something as an issue because they're relating it to the things that they eat and we will get into that a little bit later on.

Speaker 2:

Knowing that you're in perimenopause, some of the symptoms that you might find are the a lot of people talk about hot flashes.

Speaker 1:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, my mom talks about that a lot.

Speaker 2:

Yes, night sweats. So you're sleeping and all of a sudden you can't stay under the covers. You have to take the covers off and then one minute you cool again, so you put the covers back on.

Speaker 1:

You know what I've been doing lately with that is like I put the covers on, but then I leave the covers off of my feet.

Speaker 2:

That's what I do. Well, I was never accustomed to using blankets, so for me, I don't do that, and I'm actually I've never really had hot flashes, but with perimenopause those are the common symptoms that you'll find is like the hot flashes brain fog, bloatedness. Brain fog, bloatedness, not feeling to eat, nausea. All right, those are some of the common symptoms, but there are other uncommon symptoms, such as cold flashes. And guess who had cold flashes? Me, wow.

Speaker 1:

I've never heard that one before. I love hot.

Speaker 2:

I've never hot. I'm never hot, so cold flashes, which is one of the unusual symptoms, is out there. How about itchy skin? Itchy dry skin For me? I got that because I've never had issues with skin until this time in my life especially, and for me.

Speaker 2:

I'm from the Caribbean and coming to the U S, the cold winters my skin goes crazy, right, oh my. So for me it was. It's the dry skin, dry, itchy skin, um, coal, coal sweats, coal flashes, um versus hot flashes. And there are other things. You may have digestive issues. So all of a sudden you're having more bloating or even constipation. So these are some of the signs that you may find during perimenopause and I've used the age range of about 35 to 65, looking at seeing various symptoms popping up.

Speaker 2:

And this is because your estrogen hormone production slows down during this time. So if estrogen is slowing down, that it it's the good estrogen, because there are different types of estrogen. But if it's slowing down, there's going to be that irregulation of your menstrual. So other hormones are being affected your progesterone in in your sexual hormones, but guess what? We have hormones other places, like your thyroid. If that's having a problem, some people get hypothyroidism versus hyperthyroidism, so that is another place you could find issues happening. Also, blood sugar levels oh my God, spiking or getting too low. So insulin, that's another type of hormone that has been affected during this time. Wow, all right. So all these things are going through a storm or imbalance during perimenopause.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

That's a lot. That's the second phase. We didn't.

Speaker 1:

We didn't get to the other three, the other two phases, because menopause is four stages of pre peri and then we have menopause stage and post menopause stage okay, okay, okay, wait, wait a minute, because this is a lot already and and I think that for me, thank you so much for breaking that down, really, because I think it makes it's. It's helpful to clarify that, because I always thought that and I think a lot of people do think the same. Like you know, it's first of all I didn't know that there was multiple phases, but then we always talk about you get mature, you start, you know, having all this, you know growing, the growth spout as a woman, a young kid, and then liberty. I mean, what do you call it now? Puberty? I said liberty, puberty. You go through puberty, but then Also then you look forward to menopause, after the whole childbearing thing.

Speaker 1:

So this in-between stage is not so much talked about and there's a lot of changes happening in our bodies throughout this time frame. But then also as a woman, this is the time of your life, our lives, where we're figuring out who we are even more, because now we're grown up, we're starting our businesses. We're figuring out who we are even more, because now we are, you know we're grown up, you know we're starting our businesses, we're starting to really live life, you know, and all of a sudden you're beginning to feel all this emotion. You know you're either wanting to eat so much like, ah, look, the food is the thing I have to stay away from, you know.

Speaker 1:

And then the constipation, and then the headaches and all of these things, and you know it's hard. You know, because sometimes, even when you're trying to walk out, you know and you think you're trying to do all of these things. It's, I think, that understanding what's going on in our body is so important to know how to even go about fixing it. So tell me, michelle, how does the whole you know what we eat, how we move the exercise? How does that relate to? You know? You know those whole perimenopause, um, perimenopausal stage.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for asking that question because it's it's a pivotal point in understanding what symptoms you have versus what you should be doing, and it's a lot, as you have heard. It's a lot to deal with if you're not sure what's going on, and most of the times we would run to the doctor to help us balance things out. And sometimes that is looking for a quick fix because we go and get medication. Sometimes that is looking for a quick fix because we go and get medication we get. As I said, when I was in pre-menopause I was prescribed blood control but that didn't fix it. I still had endometriosis. Wow, and knowing that that didn't fix anything, it leaves me to wonder why should we live like that? Why live through the perimenopause with these issues? And what brought me to learning more about this is going at looking at gut health.

Speaker 1:

Gut health.

Speaker 2:

Yes, gut, health is pivotal and so important to us knowing what's going on inside us. Do you know that 10,000, no, let me say this right, we have the human microbiota, which is the microbiomes, is the living cells in our body. That helps us live better. Okay, and in the human body, the microbiota consists of 10 to 100 trillion symbiotic microbiomes.

Speaker 2:

And these are cells now these cells, in our human, in our human cells or host cells, is only a third of that, and of these microbiota, it's 30 trillion of it lives in our gut. Wow. Okay, and it does a lot of work to help us stay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I was going to say what do they do? What is the function of those?

Speaker 2:

Right, so the microbiota in the human body, or it's? It's a combination of fungus, bacteria. Okay, that is, in our body. It's a large combination of different types of bacteria good and bad, as well as fungi and different things to help our body stay in balance, to keep us healthy Right. The way we get good bacteria is by consuming food Right.

Speaker 1:

But we can also get good bacteria by actually just being outside in nature. And you know we need to do more of those. Yes, Because the technology sometimes can stop us from doing some of that.

Speaker 2:

Right, but then we also have in our environment bad bacterias, viruses, parasites that can enter into our system, so that also enters through our skin All right or even through the food that we eat. Right, and sometimes we will see lots of videos showing on TikTok and wherever, showing you what you could find in Cheetos, what parasites you could find in Cheetos or what parasites might be looking on your berries if you don't wash it properly, and sometimes these things enter into our system.

Speaker 2:

But we have to know that there are ways that our body fights off these bad bacterias and if it is, it's not healthy enough, it may win. That is the bad bacteria and then go through our bloodstream, through our small intestines, which is really what they call the gut, and once it goes through our bloodstream, there are things that can be influenced, meaning the organs in our system can be influenced by these bad bacterias, causing symptoms such as, for example, bloating, such as migraine, such as nausea, constipation, dry skin irritations. I could even go further into deficiencies or even diseases such as diabetic problems, hashimoto's endometriosis. So you see how it builds up symptoms and then we end up into a disease.

Speaker 2:

So we get a deficiency and then it can become a disease. But we can stop it by looking at the nutrition we eat.

Speaker 1:

I like that. I like that because now, putting on my drug development hat, a lot of the times, when we're making a lot of the drugs, we're thinking about curing a disease that is already there. But from your point of view, you're trying to help us not get the disease, if we can. So help it by helping our bodies, put the right things in our bodies.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and it's not only just putting the right things in our bodies, but it is also knowing that movement plays a huge role, learning that chronic stress can create that storm.

Speaker 2:

Also, knowing that if we're not having enough sleep can create that storm as well, enough sleep can create that storm as well. So there are variables that can create the storm in our body, causing these inflammatory issues, because most of them it's tied up to inflammatory situations Endometriosis is inflammatory, thyroid problems inflammatory, bloating inflammatory so how it becomes inflammatory. So, for instance, if these bad bacteria is coming, break the, so our gut has a lining and if it breaks that lining because it's not in the right form or compound form, it ends up creating that leaky gut syndrome, weakening the walls of the stomach and the small intestines. If that's happening, then when it enters our bloodstream, our really good T cells and I love this because I remember my son showing me this video and explaining this to me and I'm like I'm studying that same thing right this minute he's like, yeah, mommy, I got this from Storybots I'm like, oh, my God. And he's explaining the whole issue about how we get viruses and how we get sick. But there's the same thing Our T--cells, those are the ones that want to protect us, so for example, you get a cut on your hand right

Speaker 2:

the minute you get a cut, you get swelling, it turns red, all right, and that is your body, the t-cells healing it. Right, that is what's happening inside. So if it is this bad compound or parasite gets latched on to your pancreas, for example, your t-cells are going to try to attack it, but it's attacking it which is attached to the pancreas, and now this is going to create a problem. It's going to have inflammation in that area. So then sometimes we have people get pancreatitis, or they might have a gallbladder problem, and it's because anytime you say itis, it's an inflammatory situation.

Speaker 2:

And there are three root causes to many of the symptoms, and I call it the branches. There are three root causes that can create these branches to spread or these symptoms to spread, and it's the digestive system, inflammation and your genetic makeup.

Speaker 2:

And we get genetic makeup from in the womb of your mother, right, and how your mother body helps kill off bacteria. However, whatever state your mom's body was in when you were in the womb, that is what you get it Mm-hmm. So now it's what your Genetical makeup is, to be able To help you Fight these different Bacterias and problems. So For me it may be Endometriosis, but for somebody Else it might be diabetes and that might be their Weakest link, right. For somebody else it might be migraines. Hmm, that's their weakest link. So things affect everybody differently.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so we've talked about how these problems happen. Is there hope and what can we do to fix it?

Speaker 2:

Yes, there is hope. We have to remember if God created us, he created other things to help us stay healthy. I love that. Yes, so if we are created and the human being still trying to figure out a lot of fact, the research that I've been looking into, they've been researching since in the 1960s and 1920s and mentioning about gut microbiome and the importance of it since then. Socrates was talking about it since then and they still didn't know. And it's only in the last 10 to 15 years they started doing more research on it around the world and it's coming to the point where they're trying to understand that the gut microbiome is the most important thing to stay healthy so that you can be able to digest.

Speaker 2:

When you do eat it, eat the food, it can come through the bloodstream. You know the right form that we need to help us stay healthy. But the only way we can eat healthy food for it to get to our bloodstreams and help us is by healing our gut first. That's the thing that I am always talking about with my well-being shift program. Wow, okay.

Speaker 1:

Sorry, I was going to get into that because I completely I remember reading that. Well, actually don't remember. You put that article in the Boss Ladies magazine about the four keys to well-being. Shift and tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2:

Yes. So the four keys of wellbeing shift is my coin wording towards what ACSM certification? They say it's the lifestyle medicine versus functional medicine. Doctors call it NESS, which is nutrition, exercise, stress, sleep and looking how those variables work together. I look at the wellbeing shift, that of functional movement, functional nutrition, mindset building and community building, and combining these four helps us to look at all these other areas in terms of helping ourselves live better. I would say the whole you becoming the well you.

Speaker 2:

So, we look at the nutrition. I always like to start off looking at nutrition and trying to hone in on resetting our digestive system. A simple thing like how we mechanically break down the food in the mouth plays a huge role in how it can be digestive, digested even more in the stomach, even even in the small intestines. I will not give the liver too much work to do, because the liver has to break down proteins and fats, but if we chew it right, it's going to be a problem. So that's something I like to teach people about learning how to eat right.

Speaker 2:

Wow, something I think will actually help you, yeah Right, to teach people about learning how to eat right. And look at you, yeah right, my other coin phrase is all healthy foods is not healthy foods for you.

Speaker 2:

I like that true, because if you have a leaky gut, a weak microbiome, a weak wall stomach and if you have low hydrochloric acid in your stomach, you can eat all the healthy food you want, it is not going to digest because you are not in balance and a simple thing like drinking enough water to help with your hydrochloric acid levels is important. Wow, somebody might say, they have acid reflux and they've been suffering with acid reflux. That's something in perimenopause people have acid reflux. But also if you have gut issues, an ailing gut, you can also have acid reflux.

Speaker 2:

Wow so if we fix the gut first, guess what? The acid reflux will go away.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so how do we fix the gut?

Speaker 2:

Lovely question. By eating the right nutrition, by exercising the right nutrition, by exercising, by reducing stress, mindful of what you're doing and what you're putting into your body, and also encouraging good quality sleep. They all work in tandem.

Speaker 1:

That's good, Michelle, I know that I mean. Everything you just said sounds good, Really really good, you know, eating healthy, the exercises, the sleep, stress and things like that. But in the real world, as a woman that has kids and juggling, trying to, you know, make an impact, building a business, Like, how do I put all of this together? Like, how can we make this easy? Where do I even start from? Right?

Speaker 2:

You know, this is where I have created the wellbeing chef program learning and realizing that you can't do it all is important. We all have gifts. And if you're the business woman and you're doing you're doing your branding and marketing, you're doing your podcasting, but you have your family and you have so much things going on, but you're still having hot flashes, you're still having bloating and you need help to help you, coach you through how you can still have all of these other variables going on and adding in some balance with the right foods to eat, with the right amount of workouts you need to do, because I'm pretty sure you've seen online you don't have to work out two hours in the gym to get the results that you're looking for well, because we don't even have the time to work out two hours in the gym.

Speaker 2:

No, we don't let's be honest, right yeah, right, or you might. I would love to be in nature every single day, but then what can we do in our house? By inviting in plants, plants that purify your home, snake plants. There are different plants that you can have in your home. All right, I have created this 20 week program in which, step by step, we are going to move forward. Step by step, we are going to move forward, trying to make the whole you, the well you, through nutrition, for example, starting off with my cleanse to reset the body and then moving on to a six weeks program of movement, nutrition, mindset building. This one. This is really pivotal because I've created this six weeks program itemizing and helping you reset your body as well as your mind, while still getting a little 20 minute workout in.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I like that too because, actually, full disclosure I am doing the six um the the program right now. We are currently going on doing the cleanse, so I can testify to how this is already helping me just get better every day. Um. So, michelle, for those, so for those people that I mean this program I know is also you're offering this program virtually. So for those that may be listening, you know outside of where we are right now in Indiana, like, how can they get their hands on these resources that you have, because you also have a lot of free information to get people started, to help them learn about all of this? You know these different aspects of nutrition, guts and exercising, stress management and mindset, so, like, how can they get a hold of some of these research resources or even contact you?

Speaker 2:

Great, Once you have Google or Apple store, you can download my app my app you would look for if you look behind me, you would see a QR code. You could actually just scan that QR code right now and you can download my app and there you would get the started with the information that I've already shared and much more. You are able to go through some of the free programs that I have offered, and I also would like for you to connect with me through a questionnaire on the app. So just download the app. You're going to see all the information you need. If you don't have time right now to sign up via that QR code, all you have to do is enter FXWB in your Apple or Google Play Store and you would see my app there. There is where I share pretty much all this information and much more.

Speaker 1:

Right, and I know you also have a podcast, you know, where you share a lot of good information too. So I'll put all that links in the in the description so that people can get a hold of you, because I feel like you're onto something and you are really trying to help us live a whole life. And I say this also to Michelle because you know, as a drug development scientist and I've done this for 17 years we really try to cure. Our goal is to help with a disease that's already there. But I really believe that we need to be stopping a lot of these symptoms, a lot of these illnesses, before it starts, and that's why I really appreciate the work that you do. That's really why I appreciate the work and the resources and the information that you're putting out there, because if more people learn that and do all of that ahead of time, then we would have fewer sick people.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it's always good to be able to deal with a deficiency. It's like a three-tier system. If you see the symptoms happening, we can actually help it by doing some non-negotiables. Non-negotiables is and some people might say, michelle, you're crazy. But no, this is how you try to help your body. Some of the non-negotiables is not drinking coffee.

Speaker 1:

Mm-hmm, and that's going to be a hard one, but we can do it.

Speaker 2:

Yes, we can. Yes, Another one is not eating gluten. Mm-hmm Dairy is another one, but people will be like Michelle. So then, what am I going to eat? I drink coffee every day. I'm like, yes, but do you have food sensitivities? Yeah, or do you have acid reflux, or are you constipated or are you bloated? What we have to do is remove stuff for a short period of time. I didn't say you do this all the time, hence the reason my cleanse is I like to call it a vacation from eating all the foods that you eat. It's just for a short period of time, to kind of give your body a little rest and time to reset and restore itself itself yeah, because the body can heal itself it delivers the only organ that can heal itself completely, even if it's damaged.

Speaker 2:

Wow, and the way we heal it is by making sure that we eat the right things to help it green leafy vegetables, all the berries but then not if you already have food sensitivities is needing to know what's right for you. That's where the difference comes in. It's not just oh yeah, michelle said to eat the green, so let me look at all these greens and go eat all of it. Might not work for you, but it might actually create more problems because, for instance, if you're constipated and you start, oh well, I need to drink, I need to eat all these um chard, and and and all, all the celery and everything, all the green leafy vegetables, sometimes if you're putting in too much fiber and you're already constipated and backed up, you're actually creating more problems for your body because it can't break it down.

Speaker 2:

If you already have a leaky gut, it can't break it down. So guess what? Your colon keeps backing up, and now you have more toxins in your body. Oh well, we don't want that. No, we don't want that. We're supposed to be getting rid of it, right?

Speaker 2:

we don't want to come in the reason why you're getting the acid reflux in the first place, because everything's just coming back up so we want to want to be able to nip it in the bud as a deficiency stage, so that we don't get to the point where we have a disease stage and even if we get to the disease.

Speaker 2:

So, for example, diabetics, type 2 diabetes you can get rid of it because there are physical workouts that you can do and, obviously, nutritional things that you need to do to be able to balance your blood sugar levels. It can be done. It's just we have to take our time and it is not a quick fix. You have to do it for a timeframe. Hence the reason the program that I am introducing is for five months, 20 weeks. Stick with it. I believe you, me, you're going to feel so much better.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, that is so good. So I want to leave on this note that our bodies, like I think one of the things that you said and I would love for everyone to remember here also is that you know, so that it can heal itself, it can, you know, do all of the things that needs to get rid of all the toxins in our bodies and then reintroduce it at the right proportion, Correct?

Speaker 2:

Slowly. Yes, because then you want to be able to know what actually am I really sensitive to, what am I actually allergic to, so that I would be mindful that, yeah, I am not supposed to be eating broccoli, right, because I'm still sensitive to it Broccoli, oh my God. Or I really like oats, but I'm actually sensitive to oats, sensitive to oats. Or I really like fried chicken, but that the outer coating on the fried chicken is what butter in me. So if, and and this is why I'm saying it's a vacay when you do a cleanse as a vacation, because you could still go back to eating some of the things, but now you have to be mindful what may be damaging you, right, and if not, more so, what your body can't handle just yet.

Speaker 1:

Right, and this is an individual plan too. It's not a one size fits all for everybody.

Speaker 2:

So I do have in that 20 weeks.

Speaker 2:

The last 90 days is where we kind of hone in on that looking at individually, looking at what's going on with you, what have been your triggers or your antecedents before in terms of your family background, versus what's going on with you with your levels of stress, with the levels of sleep that you're getting, and learning how to create an action plan specifically for you at that point in time. So for three months we're working together and we're tracking you have to track this information to be able to see, okay, is this working for me or actually, michelle, this is not working at all by the second or third day and learning how to balance things off, because actually sometimes, when you're trying to be healthier, some people have, um, medical issues start to pop up, you know, or they have withdrawal symptoms, or things just seem more. It seems like it's like a more toxic situation, but it's rather, your body is actually fighting, what it's normally doing, but you're trying to heal it. So the things that are out there, there are lots of things that we can use naturally to heal our bodies. There may be the need to supplement, but I always go to have you been eating? What have you been eating? Let's try eating the right things, and half the times you don't even need supplemented.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, wow, that is so good. Thank you so much, michelle. I think that I've learned a lot today and I feel like this has been a very, very informational session, and also thank you for being very resourceful and also providing those resources for us to get more information. Do you have anything else you'd like to add? I will be playing.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I just want you all to know that you are special and you are unique. Yes, but there is always the opportunity to learn more, to help yourself live better. And don't be afraid. That's why I am trying to come alongside with you, for you not to get overwhelmed, because I shared with victoria just starting to cleanse. She's like michelle. This is too much information, I'm like I know it is, but I don't want you to look at everything. I just want you to look at this specific area. That's going to start you off. Don't get overwhelmed, because there's a lot of information out there on the internet. As a matter of fact, you can go google everything that I just said, but what is specific for you is important, and the only way you can figure that out is looking at your background, looking at what your roots are, creating whatever branches you have going on right now and being able to balance it off. And that's what I'm here for.

Speaker 1:

That's amazing, thank you. Thank you so much, wow, okay, I'm going to put all of the links in the comments so that you can really, you know get in and get some of that information and reach out to Michelle. But until next time, please take time to look at your health, because what, even though we're trying to build a brand and a business of our dreams, if our health is not up to par? That makes it extremely difficult. So, take the moment to think about some of what we've talked about today and take action. Until next time, keep building yourself and your brand, okay.

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