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OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW with Victoria Odekomaya
Welcome to the OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW where you'll learn how to own and grow your brand and market your business. Every week I interview entrepreneurs and/or share branding, marketing and business tips to grow your influence, build a profitable business and make an impact.
Victoria Odekomaya is an award winning photographer, brand & marketing strategist with over a decade of experience. She is passionate about helping women fulfill their dreams and purpose effortlessly.
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OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW with Victoria Odekomaya
Run Your Family Like a Business with Michelle K. Allen | Ep 43
What if balancing your business goals and personal relationships was way easier than you think? In this episode, I sit down with Michelle Allen, a creative attorney and founder of Partnership Pause, to dive into how corporate conflict resolution and feedback strategies can totally transform your home life. We’re talking about the power of psychological safety—creating a space where everyone feels heard—and how this can really strengthen your bonds with your partner, kids, and even friends.
Marriage isn’t just about love and romance; it’s about having a shared vision. My husband and I actually created a why statement, vision, and mission for our relationship, inspired by a pastor’s analogy about how marriage is like boarding the same flight to the same destination. We’ll unpack how setting these goals can keep your relationship strong, even during the tough moments. Michelle also shares some amazing tips on how to make sure both partners feel heard and respected when things get tricky.
Ready to breathe new life into your relationship? We’re diving into the different phases of a connection—intro, growth, maturity, and renewal—and how to tackle each one with intention. Plus, we’ll share a super simple but effective retreat idea (hint: it involves the “one-three-one” agenda) and how you can even bring your kids into the goal-setting process to bring the family closer. Oh, and we’ve got a special offer for you to access premium content packed with actionable strategies to boost your relationship and personal growth. Trust me, this episode is full of gems to help you bring more joy into both your personal and business life!
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Victoria Odekomaya is a Nigerian American and former drug research scientist turned brand and marketing expert. Through her Creative Agency, LiMStudios, she specializes in brand photography, video creation, and strategic marketing. Victoria's mission is to empower female entrepreneurs to be SEEN, KNOWN, and HEARD, enhancing their visual presence and attracting their ideal customers to build a BANKABLE PERSONAL BRAND. Victoria's scientific background has honed her analytical thinking, attention to detail, and problem-solving skills, which she integrates into her branding strategies. Her 23-year journey to U.S. citizenship reflects the perseverance female entrepreneurs need to overcome challenges in branding and marketing. This fuels her dedication to empower women to achieve their entrepreneurial dreams.
In 2022, Victoria launched the BOSS LADIES CAMPAIGN, giving participants a celebrity photoshoot experience to enhance their confidence and brand visibility. The campaign promotes these women through features in BOSS LADIES magazine, appearances on Victoria's 'OWN YOUR BRAND SHOW', and recognition at the BOSS LADIES GALA. The gala not only celebrates women but also raises funds for local non-profits, so far raising $19,000+ for Dove Recovery House for Women and PINK RIBBON CONNECTION.
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We leave our kids at home, because I think that's also important. You cannot focus when you're also looking at the two-year-old and saying please don't eat that eraser. I'm working over here, my husband tells me something. I say uh-huh, and then I'm like what did you say? The core principles of a good business are the same for a partnership, because that is working together with somebody. We bring our five, five almost six-year-old into our goal conversation. Okay, so we will do our strategic planning session and we come back and we show her our goal sheet and we say these are some of the plans mom and dad have for this next year. What do you want to accomplish as your goal? People aren't willing to struggle through everything you need to struggle through to keep a relationship together the very bad times, right.
Speaker 2:Welcome to another episode of the Own your Brand Show. Are you a female entrepreneur and you also are a mom? You are a wife Maybe you have a side hustle and you're a sister. You're a daughter and you wear so many hats. Raise your hand, if that defines you.
Speaker 2:Yes, I know that's going to be a lot of hands being raised, but for some reason, as you grow in your business, you're finding out that your relationships are somewhat kind of like breaking down almost, and it seems like you need to spend more time to grow the business and as you do that, in your personal life, you're spending less time and it's causing some friction and challenges. Well, let me tell you, first of all, you are not alone. There's a lot of people that struggle with that. But today I have a guest that brings us good news. Her name is Michelle Allen and she's a creative, human-centered attorney, and she's also the founder of Partnership Pause, and she's found a way to help us figure this out so that we can grow in our relationships intentionally to find joy both in our relationships as well as in our businesses. So, without much ado, let's get into it, hi how are you doing?
Speaker 1:I'm so great today, Victoria. Thanks for having me here.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, look, this is a topic that we need to break down, because a lot of us female entrepreneurs and I know even men deal with this, and you know how they say more money, more problems. That's right, but it shouldn't be right Because you're saying that there are some skills that we need to implement that maybe we already have, that we can implement in our personal lives to help be better. Tell us about that.
Speaker 1:Sure. So my background is I've been an attorney, I've always been in government work and had a full-time day job, and at these jobs we learn a lot of skills. We learn how to give and receive feedback, we learn how to work through conflict, we learn strategy to apply to our business objectives. Yet we do that during the day, and when we come home at night we want to turn off that part of our brain. We are tired, we want to sit on the couch. We don't really want to put a lot of intention into the conversations we're having with other people, because it takes effort, it does, and we're just ready to have something be easy for once. I think that's so true, and it doesn't always happen. But what I found is those skills the same skills that make a good business help cultivate intentional relationships at home, whether that's with your significant other, your partner, whether that's with your children or your friends. If we give a little intention and we bring those same skills, we're going to have better relationships and be happier across the board, wherever we are.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. I think that I can relate with you, at least when I was in corporate, where we learned a lot of skills you know, conflict resolutions and things like that but when I'm at home I never think about using those skills at home because I don't know. It's like my brain is just thinking this is for work and then when I'm at home it's completely different. And but I hear you say that we can use some of those skills or we should be using some of those skills. So tell us, talk to us about a little can use some of those skills, or we should be using some of those skills. So tell us, talk to us about a little bit about some of those skills specifically that are applicable.
Speaker 1:Sure. So the first one I think that is foundational is psychological safety. We've heard a ton about that in the last couple of years, about having a safe place for employees to come to work, but that's the same thing at home. You want to have trust, you want to feel valued, you want to be able to speak your opinions and understand that they're going to be heard. They may not always be acted upon, but we're going to have a good conversation and dialogue about what should happen.
Speaker 1:And so psychological safety when you don't have it, you withdraw, you become unengaged. And you see that at work and you see that at home, where you decide, oh, I'm not going to bring that up with my partner because I don't feel like they're going to listen to me. And I've brought this up before and they always shut me down, and so that's a lack of that psychological safety at home that we're not really recognizing. Again, same thing, different settings, but it's a tool and a skill you need at home, and so you can start building that with your partner by starting to have those conversations about what you feel could help your relationship grow at home. And so that's the foundational piece that I would recommend somebody work on if they want to start improving their relationship, if it's not there already.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I have to play devil's advocate. So we're the female business owners, we're the ones with a lot of things on our plate, and our partners are like you're the one not listening to me, so how do we deal with that?
Speaker 1:Then we need a level set and we need to take a little bit of feedback at that time and we need to say, okay, let me take a step back from the situation I'm receiving some type of feedback and ask yourself is there some type of truth to this? And be realistic. Try to put those walls down and say, okay, maybe I have been spending a lot of time and I'm talking about my business too much, or I'm hiding away working on stuff where I'm not sitting down and when you have a conversation with me, I'm not actively listening. Right, that happens a lot. I'm working over here.
Speaker 1:My husband tells me something I say uh-huh, and then I'm like what did you say Exactly? We're hearing, but we're not listening Exactly, and so it's a two-part effort, and so it really takes a lot of recognition to get on the same baseline with your partner on what is the true reality of the situation. What are you bringing to the table and not? What am I bringing to the table and not? And level set there, and both commit to making some type of micro change to start building back to the point you want to be Sounds like it has, we start with being intentional to do that too Absolutely.
Speaker 1:You cannot go through it and just expect things to happen, to just say, well, we'll just hang out with each other and our relationship will eventually grow. That is how marriages fail. Right, it's being active, coming to the table every day and trying to be a little bit better yourself and a little bit better for your partner.
Speaker 2:That's good. Okay, so I know you've been married for over 10 years now and you have two kids and you're running your business. You're also an attorney. You work full time. So, like you, you have a lot of things on your plate. You're trying to grow, you know, in every area of your life. What about? What are some of the powerful business strategies that you you say that you apply or that we should apply to help grow?
Speaker 1:One of the most significant things I've done with my partner is set up an annual strategy session. I love this, because you get in the day-to-day challenges and you forget to be intentional about the future. You forget to set time to have date nights. That is challenging. I've never heard a couple say it's difficult to have a date night, right, or it's easy, sorry to have a date night. And so what we've done is I will go someplace. We'll go someplace, maybe under five hours usually under three actually to make it easy a trip. We go there, we hang out, we can make sure that we've got some fun things to do, like, if it's a, I like to go to a park and walk around. But we say what do we want to accomplish this coming year?
Speaker 2:What are?
Speaker 1:these goals, and so we kind of write those out on a messy sheet and then we organize them by quarter and by month in terms of some of the big things we want to hit. We have a little category for what are the big trips in the future. We know we want to do and accomplish what are our personal goals and what are our goals in our relationship, and it doesn't have to be that intense. It is not a minute by minute itinerary. What is most powerful about this is that you made the time. You made the time to connect. We leave our kids at home because I think that's also important. You cannot focus when you're also looking at the two-year-old and saying please don't eat. That eraser all the time every day, and so that's why it's important to have that escape.
Speaker 1:So, a strategic session is really important. And then from there I think it's challenging to do monthly date nights. Sometimes we get that in. But if I can do a quarterly, what I call a quarterly retreat, and that could even just be a simple date night with a little bit of an intentional agenda, then you can still build that relationship intention.
Speaker 2:So it sounds like we're printing, we're running our relationship as a business.
Speaker 1:Yes, sounds really novel, doesn't it? But think about it. You go to work and corporate jobs. You have business retreats. You have a couple of days where you get off site. You know we find value in new settings where we can be more creative, where we can focus. We don't have the distractions around us. It is the same exact thing with your relationship.
Speaker 2:So does that not impact the romance in a relationship, if that you know business-like or business-minded about it?
Speaker 1:I think that can be a little bit of friction at first, and I've I've seen this in couples um with male counterparts who are like, and my husband even, like you're talking to me, like you're a boss, like well, I am a boss, no, but. But it's trying to reframe that and say, no, I'm, I'm being intentional with you and my time, and that's the piece to it. I want to connect with you. And then the second piece is again don't structure this a minute by minute agenda. Keep it flexible, but have some small strategic goals you want to accomplish when you're together.
Speaker 2:OK. So I'm thinking about those that have the question what if my partner does not buy into the vision of the business? You know that makes the conversation a little bit more challenging. So what do you?
Speaker 1:say to that the personal business you're running or the Right.
Speaker 2:So because some people might have a personal business, and you know we're trying to improve the relationships at home, but it's almost like you cannot really separate you as a person, you know, from your business, from your and your relationships at work, at home, rather. So how do you, how do you deal with spouses that maybe might not be interested in what you do, or they don't even just get it or enough to be able to see you wanting to do this, make this work?
Speaker 1:Again, everything starts with a conversation and learning more about each other, and there's a reason that the two of you, if you're in a relationship, connected in the first place. So one reaching back to maybe those initial whys why are we together? What did we love about each other? And then recognizing that we evolve over time. How have we evolved? And then really asking good questions to say what about my business are you struggling with? Why is that difficult? And pinpointing the exact feature. It is because is it the subject matter? Is it the time it's taking away from your my relationship? Is it the way I've been changed throughout this process? Is it the way I'm handling my time or not handling it very well to be with you? And I would say most likely it is not that you have a business, or it's probably not what that type of business is. It's probably the dynamics that are deeper circulated in your connection with your partner that would be driving them to be distanced from it.
Speaker 2:Right, and it sounds like I'm thinking. The way I'm thinking of it is like maybe calling it a business might be a little bit too deep, but like, this is what I find joy in doing, and then also figuring out, what is it that you find joy in doing as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up, because if you're passionate about something, I can't see a partner saying we can't do that right. We need supportive partners to help us get on board with our authentic selves and our joy in our life. And so, again going back to that conversation, that would be the foundational issue. Right, talking about this is what brings me joy, and I really need your commitment as a partner to see this through and talking through that way to to get your partner on board and to be that supportive. This is how I could see you supporting me in this, and it would mean a lot to me if you could do that. I love that.
Speaker 2:So I remember when I was younger and you know how we would say maybe make a list of the person that we want to get married to, and then we have a long list.
Speaker 2:I remember my pastor at the time would even though we have all the superficial reasons and all that, the physical things, it always like impressing us that we have to have a goal of what our marriage is supposed to be about. You know. So, you know, one thing he specifically says is that if you, uh, you can marry someone that is not going in the same direction as you are, or at least have an idea of you know, going the same direction. So if you're at the airport and maybe someone is going to Las Vegas and then you're going to, like New York, like you're probably not going to be at the same time and out, right, and that's going to be a little bit hard, and that's going to be a little bit hard. So he always told us at the time that, fine, you know, even as you, even if you are crazy in love with this person, have those conversations about where are you going, and see that you guys can have, you can make it work somehow.
Speaker 2:And I remember when I got married I remember we have that my husband and I had that conversation and we would talk about how, what do we want our life to look like. You know, at the time he was in Nigeria and I was here and we had that conversation like do I move to Nigeria or does it come here? And we wanted to make sure that our children have a good life. So we chose to be here and just some other things that we have planned. But I feel like maybe there's a lot of noise happening now because it's a struggle for us to kind of remember some of that conversation and I feel like we have to go back and revisit them. But like what I'm hearing from you is that when the journey gets tough, we have to go back to that initial foundation, like what is our, what is our goal as a family, in our relationships and maybe that evolves over time because our joy and passions changes individually but find a way to kind of reconnect that to still fulfill our bigger goal.
Speaker 1:That's right, and this is one of the practices that my husband and I actually did was revisiting not just values, because we are a lot of. You know you need similar values as partners, but I don't think we go strongly enough to what's the future vision look like? Where are you going? So? What's your vision statement for your relationship? Right? What is your mission statement for your relationship? What do you want by?
Speaker 2:the way, I'll tell you sorry to cut you off, but I don't think that people, we really think of it like that right, we don't, because that's all business related, that's all where's that business going?
Speaker 1:but the core principles of a good business are the same for a partnership, because that is working together with somebody. And so, to go even further back, that's the why statement, like simon sinek, my husband and I worked on our why statement and what we did is we worked through a process where we said what were all the wonderful memories that we remember when we were first dating and we were first, you know, living together and we culminated those into little stories and feelings of what we really appreciated and loved about each other. And then you take the themes from that and we put that into a why statement. And that is something that I don't think about every day by any means, but that when we come back together for a quarterly retreat or definitely our strategic planning, we revisit that and it helps us remember the positive memories and the good memories and the intentions we had at that time to reconnect and recenter. I love.
Speaker 2:That I feel like, when we think of it that way and we act on it like as such because I asked the question about the romance like yes, it's there, but like it feels like you're more you're you're, you're building something bigger. You know romance would flee, like we change all the time, right, you know, like, especially if it's just attached to physical beauty or things like that, like those will go away, you know, but the love is still there and that's deeper than the romance. Or like the physical, you know nature of it. But I feel like when you have things like the why, your mission, your vision statement, it just keeps the relationship even more deeply rooted.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It's the stickiness right that keeps you stuck together. It's like we agree on these things, we are connected on these things and you're absolutely right that those can be a driving connector between the two of you, because it's easy to forget that when you get lost in the day-to-day challenges that you're faced with your mental challenges, your struggle with, you know, parenting, all of these things, these conflicts that come up and they, they are micro instances that maybe try to pull you apart. Right, but if you can keep coming back together and sticking with your beliefs and your knowledge of each other, then you're going to be more successful.
Speaker 2:Right. So I'm imagining that someone out there listening thinking well, we didn't start our relationships. We're talking about our why, our mission statement and things like that, and I imagine it's not too late.
Speaker 1:It is not. So I did not do a why statement until our 10 year anniversary trip. So you know, when we started our relationship we didn't talk about that. We were a very traditional I think not super forward thinking couple. We just we hung out, we liked each other, we fell in love, we said let's get married. And that's where we stopped, and I think that's where most people stop, and that's why I'm advocating not to stop there and to think a little bit more strategically. And how do we keep this alive year after year? So in business, you have a couple of stages. You have and it's the same in your relationship. You're going to have your introduction stage, which people call the honeymoon stage Right.
Speaker 1:But I don't love that phrase. So, introduction you know you're building your knowledge and awareness of each other in your connection. And then there's growth, where you really can go deep. You can go really get some big highs really fast. And then there's maturity, and I think this is where you see the most friction, because people aren't willing to struggle through everything you need to struggle through to keep a relationship together the very bad times Right and after that, when you hit maturity, you have a choice and at that choice you can remain in the same place.
Speaker 1:You are in that growth. You can grow um decline where you're not having a healthy relationship, you're not connected, you're not engaged, or you can renew. And that's where I would say you can hit through this cycle multiple times where my husband and I have hit the point where we are renewing our relationship. It takes effort to do that and it's not perfect, right like I talk about these strategies, and it is not that my relationship is all roses it is not. But what keeps happening is that intentional connection and dedication to each other. That is renewing our relationship. That's good, that's good.
Speaker 2:So I want to talk a little bit about this retreat. So what makes a good retreat?
Speaker 1:I think you can do the most simple retreat with a couple of things, and it's, on the whole, a pre-conversation with your partner to kind of get them on board a simple agenda and a debrief afterwards. So that's really all you need. You don't need a whole lot of things, and what my advice would be for a very simple agenda is what I call a one three one agenda. Okay, so you can do this on a date night. You could also do this on a day retreat, and if you want to make it longer, you can. You just you you're not going to fill that whole time, right? So playing some hikes or something in there.
Speaker 1:But the one three one is that each of the partners bring one topic to the table. So you have a topic you want to talk about pertaining to your relationship or anything that's going on in that relationship I do too and then you also think up three questions you want to ask and engage me with regarding that topic, and so I come to the table with that as well, and that guarantees us dialogue about something that's important to us, but it also doesn't stretch us too far, right? It is easy to do one topic, three questions, as opposed to come up with five and three subtopics, and I need you to also you know diagram this out.
Speaker 2:That's definitely a business right there.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I've done some retreats where we do a little bit more. You know um retreat work where we're circling values and whatnot, but this one's simple. And then the, the one, the final. We hit one three. The one is agreeing on an activity we can do together, something that simple. It could be a walk together, it could be visiting a store that you really enjoy together. So my husband and I just did this last month. It was um a short date night and we went to the tractor supply company because we love looking at farm things and all of the you know the, the bird feeders and anything we can get our hands on over there. So we had a really great time just going there.
Speaker 1:Wow, so you both enjoy doing that yes we do, and we don't get out to shop very much together anymore, with two kids at home and living in a rural county, so it was really enjoyable Wow.
Speaker 2:So I want to shift this conversation to maybe the kids too. Is there something that you can do with kids, maybe the older kids, or how does that work?
Speaker 1:we bring our five, almost six year old into our goal conversation. Okay, so we will do our strategic planning session and we come back and we show her our goal sheet and we say these are some of the plans mom and dad have for this next year. What do you want to accomplish as your goal? And she will tell me she wants to plant a garden in the spring with blue and purple flowers, and she wants to have a sleepover at her cousin's house, or she wants to go to the beach, and so we put her goals on that sheet as well. And she will throughout the year to say, hey, I want to add this goal to our sheet. She sees it, she knows it, she understands it. And then each quarter, we typically pull that goal sheet off of the refrigerator and we check off what have we accomplished. And so she gets involved by putting a check mark in a smiley face or whatever she wants to do on that sheet.
Speaker 2:That's good, you know. As you were talking, I was thinking about how doing these exercises can help refill our cups.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think it fills our cup because we're being intentional about the things we want and for joy, and so what? I can check off something on that list because I thought at the beginning of the year I will find great joy and gratitude in doing it. And then I know I accomplished it. I feel so good. Yes, and there's some things on those lists we don't get to because circumstances happen right, but we can at least see that list and know are we going to carry that through to the next year?
Speaker 2:Right. But then you also have a partner that is invested in helping you achieve that too Right, and that's so fulfilling.
Speaker 1:The other piece of writing down your goals in this way and sharing it is, I remember, I think, robert Waldinger. He's one of the famous researchers on happiness and with partners and he said the key. It might not be Robert Waldinger, but it might be John Gottman. I'm so sorry, but one of the keys of a successful marriage is they generally look at the past in a positive way. So when you have this document, we call it an artifact, and that artifact helps solidify what did you do year after year together, because otherwise you can say like I just don't remember what happened. Some of us are so busy we can barely remember what happened two weeks ago or yesterday. Yes, so when we have that document again, it's another sticky point. It's a physical connection with each other and what our unified goals are.
Speaker 2:That's great, and I think that this is also applicable to your parents, friends, sisters. You know people that are around you as well too, because when we have that understanding of how we can, where are you going? So, not necessarily what we are doing together, but like, what are your goals and what are you things, what are the things that you're trying to achieve, and maybe how can I support you, so that way you don't see me as being so focused on my business and the things that I'm doing and I'm not, you know, interacting or even building that relationship with you.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I think if you can write down and remember your goals of your friends, you're only going to show up better for them.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's so good, wow. So I know you have a tool to help us be better with our partners. Can you share that with us?
Speaker 1:Sure, I have a five question pulse method, and it's to generally help you ask some more meaningful questions with your partner, but also to gauge some tactical information. And what I mean by that is what do you need to know on a day to day? And these can help be driving questions when you just maybe don't know what to ask is one thing, but you also still want to have some intentional connection. So pulse is the acronym for it, and it starts with P. What is a proud moment you had this past week? And I don't want to ask you what's a proud moment you've had this last year or two years ago in your entire life? That's too big. I need to help you narrow your focus on what you're doing in your day to day that I don't see. The next one is what's an event, upcoming event, that you're looking forward to? And so I love to ask that to my friends what's something on your calendar that you're looking forward to? What's a long term goal that you're working towards? So this kind of comes back to having that conversation with your friend what is something I don't know about that's on your bucket list and maybe I can help support you or I can just remember it to ask you about it.
Speaker 1:In addition to long-term goals, we want to encourage everybody to do short-term goals right, because we recognize smart goals. We need smart, attainable things. So after you tell me your long-term goal, I want to say, well, what's a short-term goal or short-term strategy you're using to achieve that long-term goal? And if they say I don't know, you can help them find that path right. And the same thing with your partner you can help get some accountability there with your partner to achieve these goals you want to do.
Speaker 1:And the last one is e what's your energy level today? And these questions can be used all in a row, they could be mix and match or they could just be used one at a time, here or there, but they are targeting different things in your life and in somebody's life where it gives you variety to find out what that is. So your proud moment is going to tell you what gives them joy and gratitude, what do they value, and it might be something that could be somebody else's joy, right, not necessarily their own. You're going to find out about their goals.
Speaker 1:With the long-term and the short-term strategy, the upcoming events, you're going to find out what do I need to coordinate with you on this week, right? Who's taking this child here, who's going to take that child there? And then the energy level is just a good check-in day-to-day, because you notice when your partner comes home and they're not up here, right? And so you could say what's your energy level today on a scale of one to 10? So I can help figure out. If you're a two, maybe I can be an eight and we can be a 10 together.
Speaker 2:That's good, that's really good. Wow, that's a lot. So tell us where can we get our hands on this resources and how can we contact you.
Speaker 1:So you can subscribe to my newsletter, partnership Pulse. It's a monthly newsletter. I do that because I know that you're busy and it takes time to implement these strategies, and so with Partnership Pulse, I break down a traditional business skill into your relationship terms and give you actionable questions to engage with your partner or maybe to think internally for your self-reflection how can I use this skill in my relationship. And then, for those that want to sign up for a premium subscription, I will send you a mid-month deeper dive with maybe an extra three to five questions to really dig into your partner. And my newsletter's on Beehive, so I think you're going to put the link in the comments so that we can subscribe for that.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. This has been so enlightening and I feel like I've taken, I got some tools, the pause that I'm going to go use in my relationship and, yeah, it's been fantastic talking to you today.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I really appreciate my time with you here today, Victoria. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Well, you've heard it. Make sure you take advantage of this offer, sign up for this newsletter and check out the premium contact as well, because I know that there's a lot of goodies in it. But until next time, you're in charge and make sure you own your brand.
