This Is Why Self-Care Isn’t Fixing Your Burnout | Ep 80

Burnout isn’t just about doing too much—it’s often a sign that something deeper is missing. In this episode of the Own Your Brand Show, Victoria Odekomaya sits down with wellness consultant and therapist Kat Nick to unpack what burnout really means for entrepreneurs, business owners, and growing teams. Together, they explore why self-care alone isn’t enough, how workplace culture directly impacts mental health, and what leaders can do to create an environment where people actually thrive—not just survive.

If you’re building a business, leading a team, or simply trying to balance work and life without feeling overwhelmed, this conversation will give you practical insights you can apply right away. Kat also shares her framework for preventing burnout through three types of coping skills—distraction, processing, and self-care—and explains why businesses must invest in workplace wellness to improve retention, productivity, and overall team wellbeing.

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Victoria Odekomaya is a Nigerian American entrepreneur, speaker, and content marketing strategist on a mission to help business owners grow their business, brand, and legacy through the power of storytelling and strategic content marketing.

She’s the founder of LiMStudios, a full-service creative agency and state-of-the-art content studio in Indianapolis where strategy and storytelling come together through high-quality content production and marketing implementation. She’s also the creator of Boss Ladies Magazine and host of The Own Your Brand Show, a video podcast to help business owners grow their business, brand, and legacy through strategic content marketing and authentic conversations about the entrepreneurial journey. 

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Transcript

Self-Care That Prevents Burnout

SPEAKER_02 0:00

What can I do to prevent burnout? Have to take care of yourself, right? I think people hear that all the time. Self-care, self-care, self-care. Which is great. Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

So well, what does that even really mean, right? Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

It's about, you know, I think of self-care as an investment in yourself. There are three different types of coping skills that I like to talk about: distraction, processing, and self-care. Self-care, I always say, is an investment of time or money into yourself, but it doesn't have to be the only way that you take care of yourself, right? My idea is I kind of come in and I help the these organizations create such a great and welcoming culture that they won't necessarily need the mental leave because they're getting so much support at work all the time. Listen, people just show up better at work when they can be their whole selves. And has the lines kind of blur between personal and work life, especially with this new generation coming up and things like that.

Welcome And Why Wellness Matters

Victoria Odekomaya 0:51

When should people reach out to you? You know, like what are those signs that they begin to see? They're like, ooh, we need cat. Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Own Your Brand Show. I'm your girl, Victoria Odeko Maya, and today I have a special treat for you. First of all, it's the first episode of the new year, so happy new year! But, you know, on this channel, we talk about business, building your brand. But what's building your brand if you don't have a strong foundation in the mental and wellness area? So my guest today is an amazing lady, and she's so well known and expert in this area, but she's going to be helping us just unpack what it means to have wellness in your business, you know, whether you are new or you're growing your business, but also having that proper foundation so that you can build on your business and your brand. So without much ado, let's get into it. Hi, Kat, how are you doing? Good.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. Thank you. I'm doing good. It's so good to see you on this not-so-cold day. Right, right.

Victoria Odekomaya 1:53

You know, Indiana weather, it's like, oh my goodness. Anyway. So you've been doing this for a while. For people that don't know who you are, just give us a little introduction.

Kat’s Therapy Background And Mission

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Yeah, so I'm Kat Nick. I have been a mental health therapist for the past 10 years. I predominantly see adults with trauma. I do a lot of EMDR, and that has been super fulfilling. I love that piece of my work, but I've just kind of noticed that I really want to do more and I want to impact more people, especially as these big changes come into our world and things like that, and just kind of wanting to be the expert for people to kind of understand how they can make the work side of things just as great as their personal lives. So I started to develop KN Wellness Partnership. And uh I do wellness consulting. I help organizations and businesses to build or rebuild the foundation of culture and wellness within their systems. Um, that is more of an organizational change versus the individual change that so often businesses try to kind of help their employees out with.

Victoria Odekomaya 2:55

So it's been so amazing. So, how long have you been doing this?

SPEAKER_02 2:58

So I just started this last year. I was pregnant in January. I had my baby in May, and I thought, well, I've got nothing else to do this summer. Let's start a business, right? As so many women do. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, so not that long, but it's there's been a really great response. I think luckily I'm kind of coming in at the right time.

Fixing Culture Instead Of Band-Aids

Victoria Odekomaya 3:17

I was gonna say that too, because like I think this is the moment, right? We're talking a lot about mental health. There's a lot happening in the world. Yes, it is requiring having this conversation and also AI too. So, like you, thank you. Thank you. Well, on behalf of everybody else, thank you. Of course. Um, so all right, so you work with organization, you're probably what are some of the biggest things that you see when it comes to like wellness and mental health like that at the root causes or you know, foundational things.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Yeah, so what I'm seeing a lot of, so first of all, mental health leave is up by 65%. So that's a lot. People are taking the time off that they need because of various reasons. You know, there's tons of things that affect our personal life.

Victoria Odekomaya 4:08

So that's good, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Right. So my idea is I kind of come in and I help the these organizations create such a great and welcoming culture that they won't necessarily need the mental leave because they're getting so much support at work all the time. Listen, people just show up better at work when they can be their whole selves. And has the lines kind of blur between personal and work life, especially with this new generation coming up and things like that. Businesses need help to help their employees want to stay, feel good that they're staying, and be totally supportive of the life they have outside of work.

Victoria Odekomaya 4:45

You know, that's so important because that doing that right helps everybody. I can think of the fact that, first of all, for that individual, you are not trying to separate yourself or like be one thing here and the other, but like, I don't know, the work-life balance is a thing, but but at least there's a semblance of that. On the other side, with the employers, right, they get people that want to stake longer. Yes. And so there's no turnover that leads to, you know, losses in business revenue and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Right. Yeah. And a lot of organizations actually think that, oh, well, we have EAP, right? We have three sessions that you can have with a therapist and things like that, or we have happy hours that we do, or whatever. And, you know, as great as that is for the individual, as a therapist, I have a totally different mindset with EAP. EAP is just it's difficult for someone to go into a therapy situation, only have three sessions, be totally vulnerable, and then you know, have to stop because of cost, or you know, it's just inconsistent, or maybe it's unreliable, or whatever it is. So there the research out there is showing that making individual changes with your company towards your employees does not work. You have to do it in a more broad organizational way where these systems are implemented in a way that supports everyone at the same time. So it's amazing that organizations have done the EAP things and you know, started mental health leave and things like that, but we have to push that extra mile for these employees to really feel comfortable where they work.

Victoria Odekomaya 6:13

Well, I like that extra mile because you know, when you have just three therapy sessions and you want to be vulnerable, first of all, you have to feel like you trust the person. Hard, yes. You know, or before you even like I think that by third session, maybe you're being open. You know what I mean? But when you have a cultural change like what you're trying to do, right, it makes it easy for people to just talk about it because it's part of you know what you do normally.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Right. And I'm not saying come to work and talk about everything personal and private going on in your life. But if you were encouraged to use good coping skills at work, if you were encouraged or taught language on how to express yourself in really positive ways, if you knew that your teammates also knew those things and were going to support you no matter what, if you were also learning about different tactics on how to avoid burnout or how to deal with toxic relationships, I mean, a lot of the things that you may carry home with you at the end of the day don't actually happen anymore because the systems are in place and you're regularly kind of getting that off your shoulders before you go home to the family you love and doing all the things that you really want to do.

Victoria Odekomaya 7:18

Because if we don't offload that, we offload it on our on our family when we get home. And so it's really even affecting the family. But I just want to play devil devil's advocate for a moment. And for people that are out there saying, Well, it's not the company's business, right? Like you're here to work, let's get to work. What do you say to that?

Generational Shifts And The Business Case

SPEAKER_02 7:34

So that's really hard, right? Because as this newer generation is coming up, we're all in our feelings, we all talk about emotions, we all have that TikTok therapist that we're watching, right? People feel in more ownership of their mental health and mindset, right? So the as we have these older generations who are still leading these amazing companies that have had a lot of success. If they want to continue hiring, they're going to have to get with it in terms of like respecting what their employees are going to want from them. Right. Right? Those lines are blurring. There's going not going to be such separation that maybe our parents saw, where it was like, you go to work and I didn't even know we had a family, right? Because it everyone was just so private. And, you know, listen, this leads to more retention from employees, which saves companies money. People being more aligned in their values and what they're working towards that makes them happier while they're there, more motivated, and things like that. It just creates an overall wonderful space. And who can't be successful from that?

When To Bring In Wellness Help

Victoria Odekomaya 8:35

You know, who doesn't want to be in that kind of environment? Right. Yeah. Right. So when should people reach out to you? You know, like what are those signs that they begin to see? They're like, ooh, we need cat.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Yeah. So I think when a business, if we start off small, right? I think when the business gets to the point where, ooh, you can't meet with everyone all the time, right? And figure out what's going on, you're starting to maybe feel like as a founder or a CEO, like you cannot keep tabs on everybody. You're not sure how everyone's doing. And you're maybe starting to get some messaging that things aren't super great. Or maybe you're just beginning in a business and you're saying, Nope, I just want to lay the foundation well here. That wellness is a priority for us. And then, you know, kind of on the other scope where it's medium-sized to large companies, if there's lots of turnover, if there's, you know, toxic relationships that you're hearing about, if your HR is drained from you know having to meet with people all the time. If you're seeing so many people use this mental health leave or EAP or whatever it is, like those are some ways that you may be hearing people say that they need this kind of wellness component without really hearing them actually say it. So, you know, kind of understanding, let's maybe trying a few things in terms of workshops or speaker events, see what the response is and see how that can really grow and help the people who work for you and you know, kind of going from there.

Victoria Odekomaya 9:55

I was gonna ask, like, what are some of the things that they can start implementing? But you just mentioned workshops and speaker. So I know you've been doing this for some time now. You know, before you started your business and you do have a ton of um speaking opportunities, what would you say is the number one topic that you often speak to?

Distraction Processing Self-Care Framework

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Ugh, burnout. Such a buzzword, right? I like to really approach burnout in a different way. I talk about coping skills in a little bit of a different way, in a way that's more digestible, but I think understandable. Um, as a therapist, I talk about coping skills all the time. I say a therap or a coping skill a day keeps the therapist away. A lot of people think these coping skills are something that you do as a reaction to not feeling good, right? But they're actually better used as preventatives, right? So I like to help people understand what they are in a different way, plan a routine for themselves, and then in the workforce or in your work environment, if that's promoted, if that's you know, pushed and supported and things like that, that's also gonna help that roll off your shoulders in terms of the day-to-day stuff before you go home.

Victoria Odekomaya 10:57

That's amazing. Yeah. Okay, so I know someone is listening right now thinking, what can I do practically right now to prevent burnout?

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Have to take care of yourself, right? I think people hear that all the time. Self-care, self-care, self-care. Which is great.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Yes, that's just that even really mean, right? Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

It's about, you know, I think of self-care as an investment in yourself. There are three different types of coping skills that I like to talk about: distraction, processing, and self-care. Self-care, I always say, is an investment of time or money into yourself, but it doesn't have to be the only way that you take care of yourself, right? So kind of going through those things and being able to really get a routine down, especially that you can do at work, it's going to make you feel more in control. And if you feel like your life is up, down, up, down with those emotions, it's going to help you level it out a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

That's really good.

Victoria Odekomaya 11:46

And so you said there were other two ones too.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yes. So distraction and processing. So, you know, I like to say there's no such thing as a bad coping skill. There's just probably too much of it, right? So I don't care if you scroll TikTok all day long. Or I don't care if you scroll TikTok, just not all day long, right? So we deserve to not be thinking about what's going on. We deserve to, you know, Netflix and chill and just listen to a podcast, read a book, and not worry about what's going on in our life. That's when processing comes in, is when you do think about maybe that's journaling or going to therapy and you know, kind of looking at your life in a little bit more of a wider scope. Um, but also with processing is movement, right? Any kind of exercise that you like to do because you're physically exerting that kind of swirly anxious energy that comes about too. So healthy balance of that distraction and processing, and then throw self-care in there and you're off to the races.

Victoria Odekomaya 12:37

That is really good because I think that you know, we get on people for like being online forever, right? But sometimes it's not that you're trying to avoid the issue, but you're just trying to like get a different perspective and just get away from it.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Take your mind off of it, yes. But once you get into the hours of using it, it's just used to numb, right? And it's you're not really probably gathering any information at all, you're not enjoying it, it just kind of turns into something that's numbing you.

Victoria Odekomaya 13:02

Right, right. And I like the the you know, the framing about processing, like, you know, going into like riding and also like walking and getting that energy out of your body. Like I think that because I can feel there were times where I would feel so overwhelmed, right? And just being able to just take a walk, you know, back and forth just helps me this. You can physically feel the energy just relieve you.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Totally. Well, walking is a form of bilateral stimulation by meaning two lateral sides of your brain. And it's actually what we use in EMDR to help desensitize things. So I always say if you feel like you have a really big emotion that you're going through, take a walk. It is something that's going to help desensitize what you're feeling and bring the logical frontal lobe back online.

Victoria Odekomaya 13:45

That's amazing.

Building A Consulting Brand That Sells

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Wow, that's very cool. No wonder you're getting booked all the time. Trying. I'm trying out here.

Victoria Odekomaya 13:52

Right. So speaking of that, you know, you're a new, fairly new business owner, although you've been, you know, practicing for quite a while now. How are you building your business? How are you getting your name out there for people to know that you are experts in this area and you can help them out?

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Well, basically, I'm bothering people until they email me back or want to meet with me. NABO has been really great, just meeting other women and networking in terms of people in different spaces and organizations and things like that, learning about them, really just asking questions. As a therapist, that comes naturally to me. The business side, not so much, but that's how I'm really feel like I'm making those connections, is just kind of putting myself in every room till it's the right room. Right. Right.

Victoria Odekomaya 14:29

Right. But I know you also, before we started this, we talked a little bit about what you want to be known for. And you were very specific, which I love that, right? You know, putting yourself in rooms, but also being specific about the type of people you want to work with and how you want to work with people. So I like that you've, you know, figured out your messaging and your positioning, which is something that most people don't think about until it's too late. So they want to like, you know, help everybody, which is which can be exhausting. So right.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Yeah. Not everybody wants your help, right?

Victoria Odekomaya 14:58

If you try to help everybody, you're gonna be exhausted, right? But also from a from a revenue standpoint, too, like if you need to be making a certain amount of money, right? Like you have to be working with the right people that are willing to invest in themselves for the services that you provide.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Right. The right client for KN Wellness Partnership is kind of like getting the right client for therapy. You want someone motivated for change who's gonna do the work outside of session. Otherwise, you're just talking and wasting everyone's time and everyone's money. So you want to have that person who or that organization that feels super motivated and is excited about it. And sometimes that takes a little bit of me explaining what that I what I do so that they understand the impact of this and you know how it can actually increase the positive outlook that people have on this organization for years and years and generations to come. Yeah.

Victoria Odekomaya 15:49

I love that you're also incorporating speaking into your, you know, marketing, if you will, right? I think it's so powerful and something that most people don't think about that you're speaking from one too many, but also for the kind of work that you do, right? Like that group activity, I think there's something about doing that too. Yes, totally.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Listen, one of the things that I would love to do is be someone's fractional chief wellness officer. I know they're not just gonna hire me off the street to, you know, fill a C-suite position for a while. So the speaking events are really good ways to kind of get to know me and my language and how I talk about things. And, you know, I use a little humor and things like that because I'm an Irish Catholic, and of course. So I think it's just been interesting, you know, kind of gathering those speaking events, building those relationships because I think ultimately it's a relationship-building career.

Victoria Odekomaya 16:36

Absolutely. Yeah. So do you use video a lot?

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Not yet. Okay.

Victoria Odekomaya 16:40

Not yet.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

I should. But no, I really have-I mean, the only video I use is if I'm on a virtual call or speaking event and they're recording it.

Victoria Odekomaya 16:47

Well, so the reason why I asked is that you know, I'm hearing a lot that people think that they speak only when they get invited. But you turning on the camera or going on a podcast is also an opportunity to like this one we're doing right now, right? It's gonna be airing somewhere, right? So, you know, like, but we have more power than we think we do, right? So, you know, I just kind of wanted to put it out there because I just thought came to my mind.

LinkedIn Content And Wellness Marketing

SPEAKER_02 17:12

But yeah, no, thank you. Appreciate that. Instagram has been something that I really started off with very strong, and then as I have the baby and as the business, you know, I'm getting busier and busier, it just has kind of fallen off in that way, even though it was something I probably moderately enjoy doing. I always think about what do I do next? Do I keep up with it? You know, what do I do in terms of kind of moving forward with that? So it's always interesting to get different opinions and things like that in your viewpoints. So right.

Victoria Odekomaya 17:37

So part of this is also like you get is to ask me questions. So and I don't know any of these questions ahead of time. So just for anyone that is listening and watching, so go. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

So the first one's gonna be more selfish about me.

Victoria Odekomaya 17:51

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

It should be selfish. Do I need to go back on Instagram?

Victoria Odekomaya 17:55

Is that something I have to do? Okay, that's a really good question. But I will ask you some questions before I answer that. Are your audience people that you're looking to work with? Are they on Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 18:06

No.

unknown 18:06

Okay.

Victoria Odekomaya 18:06

Yeah. So you probably know what my answer is gonna be. Um, so let's think about it. I know you want to work with, you know, organizations, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Probably meeting with HR people. HR people because they're gonna be the decision makers with this. Yeah.

Victoria Odekomaya 18:20

Exactly. So they're gonna be on LinkedIn. LinkedIn, right. So I would spend more of my time on LinkedIn. Okay. Now there's nothing saying you can't go on Instagram if you like to, you know, you know, as an extra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But majority of my time or content creation of any kind will be focused on LinkedIn. Okay. I think you get a lot more traction that way.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

I just love to be told this, not this, don't do this, do this.

unknown 18:43

You got it.

Victoria Odekomaya 18:44

All right. So I know you have three questions, right? What's second one?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Uh so the second one is what do you feel like is unique about wellness marketing and content creation versus any other category field, whatever?

Victoria Odekomaya 18:56

No, that's a really good question. So, what is unique about well in the wellness field, right? So, in the beginning of this conversation, we talked about why that is so needed right now. And I think that is basically your ammunition, right? So you demonstrating how you make that transformation is probably gonna be the most important thing that you want to hone in on, right? Okay, because it's a buzzword, right? Mental health, all of the things, right? But I think you coming in, which you already do naturally, like asking those questions and leaning into listening to people, right? Yeah, and showing that part of you that is empathetic enough and understands the troubles that they're going through, and then helping them walk through like we just did today. Yeah, you gave us three steps to you know prevent or manage burnout. Right. Like talking about those things, I think shows your expertise and brings your voice into the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Okay, so getting into the more tangible things versus just wellness, mental health type stuff. Exactly.

Victoria Odekomaya 19:55

And I would also say like the questions that you hear all the time should be the first set of content that you create. So think about those conversations that you have with people, and they ask you, I don't know, they probably ask you like three, four, five questions. Like everybody's asking those questions. Right. So just create content about it, and what that does is that it gives you an opportunity to put your own spin of it on it. Right. But then you're also showing your expertise. Yes. That people are learning to, you know, know more about you, and the AI is also learning about you too.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Okay.

Victoria Odekomaya 20:27

So I like that.

Trends In Video And Low-Lift Visibility

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah. Lastly, fun question. What has surprised you over the past year about maybe like up-and-coming trends or just anything that's kind of surprised you recently to learn about what you do?

Victoria Odekomaya 20:40

About what I do. Oh, that's a good one. So let's see. This one is funny because I was just on YouTube earlier when I was setting up for this podcast. And the fact that people will watch you do what you're doing without you having to speak is I thought that was very interesting. Like, I I don't even know how I got into this, but I was scrolling and maybe it was on TikTok or live streaming. Oh, so people are like just scrolling and watching people live stream. Yeah. And even, you know, sometimes we feel like when we're live streaming, we have to talk. But people would watch people basically wash dishes, you know, clean their house, okay, do other things.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

And for me, it's like a get ready with me video.

Victoria Odekomaya 21:22

Yeah. Without talking. Yep. So I'm like, what why is this? And you like for me, it was like really hard to comprehend. Right. But it's such a genius way to put yourself out there. Totally. Because, like, in so doing, you get people asking you questions and then you get comfortable. Right. The thing about turning on those live streams is that number one, you don't have to be, you know, you don't have to edit after the fact, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's done, it's done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

You know, you just and then you start that instant gratification for sure.

Victoria Odekomaya 21:53

Right. And then you get people to like, you know, when they're when they're curious and they ask questions, those can be questions that you Then turn into content later on. Right. Oh. So for you in the wellness space, right? I don't know, do you like incorporate any kind of physical wellness or like how what does that look like?

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Not really. No. I mean, definitely some like deep breathing techniques and kind of getting into your body and things like that, but nothing in terms of like yoga or Pilates or you know, things like that. I'm I'm a huge walking fan, and that's about it. So yeah.

Victoria Odekomaya 22:23

So like what does a day look like for you?

SPEAKER_02 22:26

So just going into the office, seeing the clients that I have on my caseload, maybe it's going and doing some research that day on topics that I want to bring up or present on, meeting with people, finding out who they are, how I can help them, how they can help me, you know, things of that nature. And then, you know, at the end of the day, picking my kids up, dinner, bedtime, and just do it all over again.

Workshops Speaker Sheet And Custom Programs

Victoria Odekomaya 22:46

Yeah. So, but like in there, like when you're speaking to a client, now if they, if you have their permission, right, you can even have the camera just like facing you and just because I think you so maybe not so much client because I think there's a confidentiality. Yeah, yeah, for the therapy aspect. Yes, that's right, right. But like when you're meeting people and asking just general questions, getting to know them as you know, exploring, right? Like that could it's fascinating for people to see that. Right. Because you as KN Wellness, right? You know, as you build your brand, people, you know, like they're seeing the impact that you're having, right? But people then begin to be curious about the person behind the brand. And so that's kind of like a way to show, yeah, you know, to humanize the brand and say, look, I'm, you know, or like maybe how do you handle your overwhelmed too as a wellness expert, right? Yeah. And help people realize that yes, I do get overwhelmed if you do get overwhelmed, right? So just normalizing that, right? I think it will definitely be a cool yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I know you have um a resource for people, you know, your speaker worksheets and yeah, yeah. Tell us a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Yeah, so I put a speaker sheet to you. At first, I was like, wait, what are we talking about? Uh I put together a speaker sheet and I've kind of put together some ideas for workshops and things like that. Um, just to kind of give you a little bit of a taste of who I am and how I work, but also, you know, to get some really good education and things like that into your organizations and businesses. So I do topics on like aligning identity with your work and your purpose of your work. I do uh workshops on, let's see, kind of the magic of your brain and coping skills and burnout and things like that. Uh emotionally intelligent leadership. Um, there's lots of them. And a lot of times it's mostly, I would love to have organizations come up to me and say, hey, we need this. This is our problem. And then I create a workshop that's just for them, you know. As a therapist, it's individualized, right? So I like to have an idea and a little bit of a cheat sheet in terms of what people can look at, but ultimately we figure out what's best for you and what you need.

Victoria Odekomaya 24:59

That's amazing. So I love that utility too. So it's not just a one size fits all generic thing. That's amazing. All right. So, what are some of the fun workshops that you have coming up right now? Because somebody's like, maybe I can just sit in and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yeah. Um, there's nothing on the calendar as of yet, but that's definitely something I would like to keep going. I am speaking at Collab X for Navo, which is for the newer business owners and things like that, like me. Um I'm also, you know, just kind of I'm doing a lunch and learn with a law firm here soon. And let's see, I mean, things just kind of come in all the time, and it's little things here and there, but also big things as well. And, you know, it's exciting in that area. But yeah, I mean, I'd love to do like a speaker series or something like that. That would be fun. Um, I gotta get that email list going.

Victoria Odekomaya 25:49

So yes, absolutely. That email list helps a lot. Yeah. And I don't know if you want to talk about this, but I know you had mentioned to me that you're working with, like you're trying to get to work with this big organization, the HR.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Yes, yes, yes. So um, me and my amazing mentor, Chris Mills, she whether she would say that she's my mentor or not, I'm forcing her. Um, we're putting in some applications for some speaking opportunities for the IndieSherm conference that's happening in later this year. So that's a pretty big one. So crossing our fingers for that.

Victoria Odekomaya 26:19

Yeah. So that these are some of the places you can see Kat speak or get a taste of what she brings to the table. And I'm really hoping that you get that opportunity to speak. I think it's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Oh, yeah.

Victoria Odekomaya 26:30

Uh, but before we wrap this up, is there anything that you could like, you know, give as uh, you know, advice? Or I mean, of course, this is not medical advice for you, but you know, so people out there that are just like, what can I do right now?

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Yeah, I think I would first tell people like you're not alone. Everybody goes through stuff where it feels like it's hard to balance work and home life and things like that. And they should be separate in a lot of ways, but in a lot of ways they shouldn't. Um, your organization should see you, they should, you know, want to help you and you should feel good going into work, not feeling like you need to push everything to the side, become a shell of yourself, be numb. You know, everyone should be able to be their whole selves at work, and that's the most important thing. And I think we've got a lot of really wise organization leaders and things like that who are catching on to that and you know want their employees to be happy and healthy all the way around. And, you know, I'm happy to help kind of transition them into that.

Final Advice And How To Reach Kat

Victoria Odekomaya 27:27

Right now, so for those organization leaders, the HR and the decision makers that are listening to this and saying, We need cat, we need uh right now. Um, how can they reach out to you?

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Uh, emails probably best. It's Kathleen at Kn WellnessPartnership.com. A little bit wordy. All my my socials on that KN Wellness Partnership website, same thing. So if anybody wants to get a hold of me, I'll be here.

Victoria Odekomaya 27:52

Yeah, we're gonna put all of that in the description, including the speech speaker sheet series, so you can see topics that she can talk to you about or help with. I know, and I love that you are able to customize as well. So um, and also all the contact details so you can reach out to her because we all need help. And if our mental and the wellness is not like in the right place, we really cannot make the changes that we know we can we're able to do. So um thank you for coming. Thank you for actions sharing, and I really appreciate this.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Yes, me too. No, it's been a pleasure, and thank you for all the tips and things that I need. I I need to move forward with those for sure.

Victoria Odekomaya 28:33

Right. Well, until next time, keep you locked in here. I'll talk to you later. Bye.